Desmond Swords wrote:\r"I find it odd, here we are, all working at various levels and in various degrees of seriousness, in the contemporary Poetry biz, which is entirely formed by and run along competitive lines, where Prize and Winning is (almost) the sole measure of poetic success to most, and yet one of the very operators at the heart of the industry, a sinecured near-ollamh with wit and intelligence, refuses to play the game of speech in print. Now that you've printed the Heaney poem here, I had to go and reread "In my Craft and Sullen Art," the two poems speak to one another. The, let them gradually melt I also much respect the way you go back and answer things you've missed, even when you're obviously very busy, and even when their off the track.\r"Let me have it" means let me have your answer, dude (I learned that word from Tere). A splash of yellow, no matter how delightful to the eye, is no work of art. L'Age d'Or, which loosely follows the exploits of two young lovers, is also famous for a single scene: the female protagonist performs felatio on a marble statue's toe. Like judging Picasso's literary output, distinctions of good and bad concerning Warhol's work are subjective to the reader. in … \r'You don't understand this poem? It has come into the world, a triumph, and lives in glory by itself and alone. . this has become an Ashbery pro or con forum . Neither he nor any other poet - or poetry - needs to be defended: If one doesn't like a poem or poet... simply turn the page! Martin Earl lives in Coimbra, in central Portugal. Painters and poets have been wed from the beginning. In 30,000 year old notched bones he contended that he found a system of lunar calendation. sorry. Ashbery is endlessly preoccupied with the criteria of poetic speakers & poetic time. On the other hand, if you want someone with her finger on the button and who knows just about everything there is to know about the way the poetry world works, and the way poems come out of that world, read Eileen’s posts. Wherever we were trained -- we are trained by our life. So it's no surprise to learn that some of the world's most famous painters also engaged with literary writing on some level throughout their careers, creating novels, plays, poetry, and screenplays. above)!\rThe blogger, the poet and editor of The Laurel Review, John Gallaher, (www.jjgallaher.blogspot.com/) had just described how during his first writing workshop his teacher had encouraged him to write what he "knows," to get back to his own childhood and tap his own personal experience--which John refused to do much to his teacher's disgust, and in not so doing found his own voice. "¿Estamos hablando de la literatura, o de la vida literaria?" Only Chinese and Japanese preserve the their logographic origins. We tell stories to engage with others, to flatter them, impress them, bond with them. The man produced some... 3. Do not know who he is, but in his double comment to Gary, Thomas Brady has clearly presented views which resonate favorably with those of us who do not particularly care to learn this and/or that theory in order to unlock (get into) a particular work (poem, painting, song, etc.). he's an artist who runs a studio making sandblasting, etching and woodwork commissions, etc. El Greco declines the invitation, saying, "No, the glare of daylight would spoil my inner light." Simple as, and those who write a lot, love it because we know we are on the right road. Add to that the spotting, dabbing, swatching brush; then the lurch of the observation stool (every painter has a stool, a bench, a chair) on the uneven, bedabbed, begrimed and, otherwise, abused floorboards of the studio. I think you feel you'll get laughed at for even thinking there's meaning in what you read what is more meaning for you, for your life, for your own understanding.\rAnd if I'm right, how does that affect what you write in turn? Unless you live in Antarctica, maybe. You're right that the "inaccessibility vs. transparency" paradigm is always about something else, which I was trying to elucidate in my comments above. . Someone uses the word "phenomenology," you can't just assume "airy-fairy" or "pseudo-intellectual" or whatever. Christopher,\rI can't believe you're riding me this way. Such a beautiful world grew up around them, but what a tragedy for girls. \rAs to photography, by returning from digital to analogue I’ve come to see analogue as a kind of “slow art”. Also what a tragedy for the men who came to idealize crippled girls!\rGirls aren't poetry, by the way, Michael. \rI'd also add that each of the arts is nurtured by its kissing cousins. He is described as a romantic poet. I believe she's written novels and plays, and illustrated/co-wrote a children's book. John Oliver Simon, Annie and Michael...\rI thought I'd tip you off with a link to where I keep my first drafts. your first draft, Martin, and of course speaking strictly as an admirier and friend. And then some dogs enter the stage and proceed to lick everyone. \rAshbery is jelly. The novel, the essay, reportage, even the printing of gossip grew along with the growth of literacy and the mechanization of publishing. "\rAnd why not?\rAnd because I'm so old and not in the running for anything left in the literary life, let me venture to say that I think it's a habit. This word shouldn't carry a negative connotation: it means "being comprehensive. The thread is honored! Altafish, Babel, Shylock... machine translators guaranteed to make babble out of whatever you feed them. Where's my soap? During the film we listen and listen and listen, and then suddenly we do hear something different from the senseless hum, a sound which resonates in us in a way the random noise doesn't. In reality there's nobody at home at all!\rPhilip Larkin lived, worked, loved and died in a very unified and sensible identity. \rSo maybe what we're dealing with, rather than quickness or slowness, is a balance between the materials (the medium) and the idea. Out of his research came his book, "The Roots of Civilization," which is a delight to read.\rHere is the best link I can find to give an idea of what he thought. That's the way it's supposed to be, and anyway, the poet who wrote it has more awards than you.' it's exactly parallel to the struggle against death, Margo,\rThanks for citing Dylan T. Here's link to him reading it live.\rhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZnw3BZg18\rMartin, Sorry Christopher,\rFor misleading...\rBut the idea of shame was never present. Words can do that better than paint, of course, they can run things by again without much mess or fuss, make new drafts in words, recelebrate the strokes and color in the air.\r"He wanted me to tell him what he was doing," says Martin, repainting his painting in the smokey air. Thanks to Aristotle and a misreading of Poe, he doesn't have to.\rAristotle said poetry was imitation, which is precisely why Plato did not trust it, for poetic imitation is 1) inaccurate 2) unlearned and 3) there’s no certainty it will be socially useful. The moon-drenched kite lying against a bulwark looked like a stellar ray that had just dropped there like a sign of the Zodiac. Now, on to the task at hand: Ono’s writing. and self-knowledge. During this time he kept a “diary” of very small paintings, a little larger than the average postcard; these were covered with painted and drawn images, little applications, cut-outs glued to the surface and a lot of scrawled writings. 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